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Aroura 
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Total Posts: 835
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| 03/07/2006 2:02 AM |
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Well, As much as I'm crying over lightwell, cause I really really wanted to try that, there are a few questions I have. Ok, some talents are obvious for going raid priest build. However..The following things are proving difficult.
Spell Warding: 10% dmg reduction from spells doesn't seem like a lot..but you know, it might help me survive being the bomb, or being spit at, or any number of AoE's in MC. An extra 50 to 100 health isn't bad, but I'd be giving up Inspiration. It also is 21/30 and so allows me to get Divine Spirit (a 40 point GROUP spirit buff requiring Holy Candle regents at max rank). Ala: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priests2/talents.html?50420013050010023355100030210500000000000000000
There is also the hope that Lightwell might indeed prove usefull (especially if a lot of priests are getting DS already...it would maybe be nice to have this talent split up in our guild, some with it, some without, just an extra thought). I maxed the crit and put inspiration in here also..as it is more super healer build and not so survival oriented...but I loose DS, as so:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/priests2/talents.html?50420013050000023505103030210510000000000000000
If you are wondering why I didn't take spiritual Guidance...I think it could be an awesome talent, but with my pathetic 208 spirit, and looking up both Prophecy and Trancendance gear and seeing they are also low on spirit, I can get + healing out of gear, and spiritual healing. If I decide to buff my spirit to 300+, I may switch my thoughts here.
so, the options are Lightwell VS Divine Spirit, and also Spell Warding VS Inspiration. Any other priests or knowlageable people have any oppinions here? I think I've pretty much worked out what I want outside of these 2 choices. Any help and reasoning would be much appriciated, as I know there are some good brains in this guild who will have good input/feedback on the pros and cons of each :-) Thanks in advance! |
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Aroura (70 Priest), Sendarya (70 Hunter), Redaroura (62 Warrior)
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seeker
Swords are fun!
Council Member
Total Posts: 3245
Location: Indy, no NV, no Indy, no NV....
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| 03/07/2006 6:42 AM |
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Disclaimer: NOT A PRIEST
Lightwell vs DS: for a raiding priest, lightwell. As you said, there are going to be plenty DS priests. Furthermore, even with lightwell's current annoyances, i can see benefits mid/late fight against the MC bosses: you keep healing the MT, us crazy folks who want to whack on Magmadar up close will come back and heal when the DoTs stop. Furthermore, I'm a warrior/rogue -- i don't CARE about spirit; i have no mana and my health gets healed, it doesn't have to regen 
Now there are many classes who benefit from spirit: priests, mages, druids, pallies, and ok for hunters and locks (although they'd probably prefer to lightwell and life tap). However, if this is a raid and ONE priest has DS, the entire raid is covered. Lightwells would act as "you gets hit and it interrups my healing" healers for all those poor saps that are told "no heals for you -- we have to keep the MT up"
i'll chat about the other thing i have no real clue about later ; ) |
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Sabre (70 warrior)
Sceptre (70 warlock)
Thornkiss (70 priest)
Chibi (62 rogue)
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 03/07/2006 5:02 PM |
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Lightwell vs Divine Spirit
In general, I think Divine Spirit will be better. 40 spirit = 10 mana regen per tick outside 5-sec rule (healing rotations in endgame). Lightwell, from what I've heard, pulls major aggro for the priest. I am hoping that will get changed in testing. Everyone was assuming it was a zero aggro heal. I think someone on a priest forum was almost implying that it was frontloaded aggro like powerword shield. I am not sure about that. I think if you go heavy into Holy, Lightwell might still be an option depending on how it ends up in final form.
Spell Warding vs Inspiration
I had a Crit Heal/ Inpiration build for a long time and I really liked it. To me, Spell Warding is better maybe for a PvP oriented priest. In PVE (endgame raiding) I think Inspiration with its +25% boost to armor from items after a crit heal is a noticeable boost for tanks. It's is basically 15 seconds of damage reduction that you don't have to heal. It goes off a lot, especially with trinkets like Eye of the Beast and other stuff that boost your crit rate. |
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
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Aroura
Guild Member
Total Posts: 835
Location:
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| 03/07/2006 9:05 PM |
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From the testing I did with Lightwell, it is NOT frontloaded agro. You gain agro as people use it and are healed. It can get you a huge amount too fast if people run up and use it too fast. If used strategically, it would be great to drop 1/2 way and farther into a boss fight, as the tanks have major agro by then. Not good for trash fights though. Aslo good to help people heal after bad pull or wipe without spending tons of mana.
It's biggest concern for me is that the HoT breaks on non-dmg spells, this means that Mags fear, whoever it is that does that curse of doom, etc, will wipe the hot. Now curse of doom DOES dmg, but only after a certain amount of time if it has not been dispelled, until then it's just sitting on you doing nothing. Now, I didn't get to go into MC to test (for fairly obvious reasons), but it appears that these sorts of things will break the healing effect. I understand that it needs to break on dmg, but I hope they fix the breaks on anything!
ps, you can move around with this hot, giving more freedom than a bandage, and it stacks with recently bandaged, so you can use both if needed. I think it has potential, and as Sabre pointed out, only a few priests need Divine spirit (it is no longer the mana hog it used to be, with the Group Divine spirit being learned at your trainer) but will require extra holy candles. I would just give the priest buffing my group a stack of candles if I went with Lightwell.
Yes, I agree, the +crit and salvation make a great!!! combo for being a super healer. but I seem to die so often..more than other priests (my hp? healing too much? Positioning myself badly? I'm not sure why), that I was wondering if anyone else thought the magic protection would actually help me live longer in boss fights...therefore helping my group and the raid live longer.
See, they always make me one of the bomb shielders, and I noticed that if I died early in the battle they ALWAYS wipe, but if I survive...the raid has a better chance. So opinions there?
so Tref, you must be taking Divine Spirit. If I can find out what Aella and the other priest (I'm terrible with names, it's someone I didn't know from before( is taking, then I'll know which would be most beneficial for our guild/raid groups to take.
Thanks for the input both of you :-) |
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Aroura (70 Priest), Sendarya (70 Hunter), Redaroura (62 Warrior)
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seeker
Swords are fun!
Council Member
Total Posts: 3245
Location: Indy, no NV, no Indy, no NV....
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| 03/07/2006 11:47 PM |
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As I look at this, I'm starting to see 2 holy builds: one for a healer of MTs, one for a solid healer of others.
Gonna heal a MT? inspiration + DS for the win! (focus on improving crit-heal rates for the bonus mega-armor buffs (1500+ af), get DS to help your mana regen)
Gonna spend a ton of time healing, but not a MT? lightwell provides some additional utility/mana-conservation, and you might as well look into spell warding -- crit-heals will overheal, and the armor buff isn't nearly as good when it lands on a mage (lots of those folks have less armor than a MT's SHIELD ALONE!) |
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Sabre (70 warrior)
Sceptre (70 warlock)
Thornkiss (70 priest)
Chibi (62 rogue)
and a slew of others, 9 - 53 |
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 03/08/2006 11:02 AM |
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I am actually leaning towards getting Lightwell. I've always been more partial to Holy talents than many priests. There are too many Holy talents that I like in the new changes. No matter how I cut it, I end up with so many Holy talents, I might as will spend another point and get Lightwell. It is mostly because I am a big fan of Improved Prayer of Healing. I also want the faster GHeals, Holy Nova, and Holy Specialization/Inspiration again.
I am going to be some permutation of 20 Disc / 31 Holy when 1.10 goes live. |
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 03/08/2006 11:14 AM |
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Here is what I plan to go with:
Discipline Talents - 20 point(s)
# Unbreakable Will - rank 5/5 (hard to decide, might go Wand Specialization instead)
# Silent Resolve - rank 5/5
# Improved Power Word: Fortitude - rank 2/2
# Inner Focus - rank 1/1
# Meditation - rank 2/3
# Mental Agility - rank 5/5
Holy Talents - 31 point(s)
# Healing Focus - rank 2/2
# Improved Renew - rank 3/3
# Holy Specialization - rank 5/5
# Divine Fury - rank 5/5
# Holy Nova - rank 1/1
# Inspiration - rank 3/3
# Improved Healing - rank 3/3
# Improved Prayer of Healing - rank 2/2
# Spirit of Redemption - rank 1/1
# Spiritual Healing - rank 5/5
# Lightwell - rank 1/1 |
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 03/08/2006 11:16 AM |
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It looks like Lightwell will be a great downtime healer between pulls. Use that instead of direct heals on people to top them off. That alone could speed things up and save on mana regen.
It looks like Lightwell will be situational in combat. |
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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Tiamant
Guild Member
Total Posts: 306
Location:
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| 03/08/2006 2:12 PM |
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I have a question regarding a priest build for raiding... and this would be solely for raiding.
Looking at the priest talent trees, would it be viable to have a priests' only job to spam flash heal rank 1 for the crit% effect of gaining 25% armor on the target based off the Inspiration talent? Sure, it'd be a bit of extra damage mitigation combined with a very small heal, but 25% armor on a MT can be a huge bump, and could take off pressures from the main healer.
Just a thought... |
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 03/08/2006 2:45 PM |
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It's not a crazy theory. I've thought the same thing myslef.
I
sort of tried playing with that idea, BUT I am usually too swamped
having to cast real full-powered heals on people that I seldom have the
luxury. I would be tempting to try on boss fights like Magmadar. That
is a long fight and a lot of the damage is physcial.
The priest
that is healing the MT in a boss fight is often casting full-rank Flash
Heals as fast as they can. You could have another priest spamming the
low-rank FH's, but the other priest is usually trying not to cast
anything and regen mana to rotate back in. Casting the FH's would
keep you inside the 5-sec rule and gimps your regen rate.
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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Aroura
Guild Member
Total Posts: 835
Location:
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| 03/10/2006 10:37 PM |
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Good news!! Lightwell may indeed prove viable. the Devs have actually respned to player concerns...see:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread-search.aspx?ForumName=wow-priest&Author=Eyonix&Cluster=Wow
Qoute: "I discussed Lightwell in detail with the developers during my most recent design meeting and I wanted to let everyone know that the threat being generated by the Lightwell for the priest is a bug and will be fixed before the patch is live. Also, concerning the spell's duration, based upon player feedback, we are considering an increase from its current 2 minute timer. Basically we don't want the duration to be so lenient that the Lightwell feels omnipresent, however, we agree that for the situations the spell is designed to be most effective, 2 minutes may be too short.
Lastly, we intend for this spell to work much like bandages in terms of what's capable of interrupting the healing effects. Meaning, non-damaging effects such as debuffs which wouldn't interrupt a bandage shouldn't interrupt the Lightwell. We realize such is not the case now and we're looking looking into it. "
All I can say is...YAY! Now I think I'm gonna get this instead of Divine Spirit...I think, lol. |
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Aroura (70 Priest), Sendarya (70 Hunter), Redaroura (62 Warrior)
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 03/13/2006 10:33 AM |
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That is really good news!
It will be hard to give up the extra
regen from losing Divine Spirit. I am a template tasting junkie :-).
I've spent more on that than buying gear on the AH. I pretty much have
to at least try my 31 point Holy template with Lightwell just so I can
see how it works.
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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Tragic
Guild Member
Total Posts: 34
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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| 03/16/2006 4:01 PM |
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Do you think there's any value to the "Improved" Vampiric Embrace? I was wondering if it's a possibility to build a shadow priest that actually heals and heals well. Might be interesting to try a 31 point spec in shadow with what's left over in Discipline.
Still ... the 20 disp 31 holy looks a little sweet setup.
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Tragic the Night Elf Priest (lvl 60) and a few others too! |
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 03/17/2006 3:25 PM |
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Does Lightwell really have a 10 minute cooldown?
That makes it much less desireable to me. A lot of 31 point talents really don't thrill me much regardless of class. |
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 03/17/2006 4:00 PM |
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It's always so hard to decide. I have gone back and reworked what
I think I will do. I am taking a stand now and doing some selfish
stuff so I can solo/grind better on my priest character. I also
fell back into the mana regen path. Here is my planned template
now when 1.10 goes live.
Highlights are:
Wand Spec, Divine Fury + Searing Light, Holy Spec w/o
Inspiration to become more of a “Holy Mage” and be able to do better
damage. I am finally getting a little
selfish and want to do more than just heal all the time :-) +Crit and Healing/Damage gear should get me
decent damage output.
Mental Agility, Mental Strength and Divine Spirit for good
mana management.
Still have access to the new Greater Heal stuff, Improved
Prayer of Healing (one of my favorites), and Spirit of Redemption.
Discipline Talents (27 points)
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Wand Specialization (5/5)
Silent Resolve (5/5)
Improved Power Word: Fortitude (2/2)
Inner Focus (1/1)
Meditation (3/3)
Mental Agility (5/5)
Divine Spirit (1/1)
Mental Strength (5/5)
Holy Talents (24 points)
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Healing Focus (2/2)
Improved Renew (3/3)
Holy Specialization (5/5)
Divine Fury (5/5)
Holy Nova (1/1)
Improved Healing (3/3)
Searing Light (2/2)
Improved Prayer of Healing (2/2)
Spirit of Redemption (1/1)
Shadow Talents (0 points)
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None
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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Aroura
Guild Member
Total Posts: 835
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| 03/17/2006 5:29 PM |
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yeah, I see your point with being able to solo. Since I was trying to solo some of the silithus quests this week, It all came back to me...Holy priests stink at soloing! So, I totally see your point there.
I may have to reqork some of my own talents...I just don't know. I am not gonna be MT healer in MC most of the time...they usually give that job to a dwarf priest.
PS, I tested Lightwell again lat night. I jsut can't decide. I think it might be usefull on some bosses in MC (hence, 10 minute cooldown not huge issue), but being that it breaks on any dmg...well, I realize itneeds to or it would be overpowered. You could drop one by the MT and have him tap it evey 10 seconds for 5 renews an you would hardly have to heal him..would make stuff "too easy". I just don't know yet. I'll have to wait til the patch comes out and see if any new strats pop up that involve it. If not...Divine spirit is it. Just have to wait and see... |
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Aroura (70 Priest), Sendarya (70 Hunter), Redaroura (62 Warrior)
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