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Trefalgar 
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 06/20/2006 7:31 PM |
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### Here is what I am looking at changing to: ###
Assassination (30 points)
3/3 Improved Eviscerate
5/5 Malice
3/3 Ruthlessness
3/3 Improved Slice and Dice
1/1 Relentless Strikes
3/3 Improved Expose Armor
2/5 Lethality
4/5 Improved Instant Poison
1/1 Cold Blood
5/5 Seal Fate
Combat (21 points)
2/2 Improved Sinister Strike
3/5 Lightning Reflexes
5/5 Deflection
5/5 Precision
1/1 Riposte
4/5 Dual Wield Specialization
1/1 Blade Flurry
Subtlety (0 points)
None
### Here is what I currently have: ###
Assassination (14 points)
3/3 Improved Eviscerate
5/5 Malice
3/3 Improved Slice and Dice
3/5 Lethality
Combat (31 points)
2/2 Improved Sinister Strike
4/5 Lightning Reflexes
5/5 Deflection
5/5 Precision
1/1 Riposte
5/5 Dual Wield Specialization
5/5 Sword Specialization
3/3 Aggression
1/1 Adrenaline Rush
Subtlety (6 points)
1/5 Master of Deception
5/5 Camouflage
Here is what I think I am gaining:
1. Faster damage and higher burst damage
2. Much faster combo point generation (for more burst evisc)
3. Control of critical evisc through Cold Blood
4. Keep Riposte (I like this for solo grinding)
5. Keep Blade Furry and Slice n Dice combo for multiple mobs (which I like)
Here is what I think I am losing:
1. Some constant white damage with Sword Specialization
2. Faster movement in stealth (this could be important for grinding)
3. Adrenaline Rush (honestly, I always forget to use it)
It looks like a win for me, but it really is a hard decision.
It's important to note how I play my rogue and what I use him for.
My rogue is my farming toon. I don't farm instance dungeons, I like
to have him for running around picking herbs and killing stuff
outdoors. So I am seldom fighting elite mobs in dungeons. I am not
really planning to make him an constant endgame raiding toon.
So that is important background information. I want to be able to kill
normal mobs really quick.
Any thoughts from rogues out there?
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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Jatok
Guild Alumni
Total Posts: 1141
Location: Bristol, Va
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| 06/21/2006 8:55 AM |
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Assassination (30 points)
3/3 Improved Eviscerate
4/5 Remorseless Attacks
5/5 Malice
3/3 Ruthlessness
1/1 Relentless Strikes
3/3 Improved Expose Armor
5/5 Lethality
1/1 Cold Blood
5/5 Seal Fate
Combat (21 points)
3/3 Improved Gouge
2/2 Improved Sinister Strike
5/5 Deflection
5/5 Precision
1/1 Riposte
4/5 Dual Wield Specialization
1/1 Blade Flurry
Ok from the playstyle to described I would lean this way. Yeah i dropped the SnD. For farming you don't need it. If you need to keep SnD up that long then you prob pulled to many mobs and need to vanish anyway.
Notice the imp exposed armor. The most useful unused skill a solo rogue has. Cheap shot open get 3 quick CP and hit Exp armor and the mob goes down fast. (FYI duel a pally and do that to them and they freak and buble so fast its funny)
Also added into the chance are a crit after killing a mob.
That is just a different view. Out of the two you posted I would go with the first one from the game play you described.
Now if you wanted a heavy farming build I would drop the combat tree completely. |
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Jatok(60 Rogue), Gimlen(60 Warrior)
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 06/21/2006 9:31 AM |
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Excellent point about SnD. I use the skill all the time, but you are right about not needing extra time. I'll take a look at that.
I know you've mentioned Remorseless Attacks before. I tried it for a while, but it just didn't fit me personally. I think I would like it a lot more if I were daggers and doing Backstabs. I ended up getting the crit bonus on sinister strike. It was ok, but i'd personally spend the 4 points elsewhere. Not saying it's a bad talent at all, I just didn't find myself taking advantage of it the way I was doing things.
I totally agree about Expose Armor and improving it. It is indeed a highly under used rogue ability. I can imagine it being devastating when dueling highly armored PCs. I try to pay attention to the NPC mobs and learn which ones are more armored -- generally anything that looks like or is named something like a warrior (skeletal warriors, warders, protectors, etc.)
I think this is what I will go with when it comes time to drop some cash on redoing talents:
Assassination (30 points)
3/3 Improved Eviscerate
5/5 Malice
3/3 Ruthlessness
1/1 Relentless Strikes
3/3 Improved Expose Armor
1/5 Lethality
3/5 Vile Poisons
5/5 Improved Instant Poison
1/1 Cold Blood
5/5 Seal Fate
Combat (21 points)
2/2 Improved Sinister Strike
3/5 Lightning Reflexes
5/5 Deflection
5/5 Precision
1/1 Riposte
4/5 Dual Wield Specialization
1/1 Blade Flurry
Subtlety (0 points)
None
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 06/21/2006 9:51 AM |
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After you mentioned dropping combat altogether, it started me thinking. I started drifting right back to a 31/2/18 permutation that is just such a classic. This would be the permutation I am looking at because I really plan on sticking with Swords (ok, i'm lazy and I get sick of trying to weasle my way around to the back of mobs).
Assassination (31 points)
3/3 Improved Eviscerate
5/5 Malice
3/3 Ruthlessness
1/1 Relentless Strikes
3/3 Improved Expose Armor
4/5 Vile Poisons
5/5 Improved Instant Poison
1/1 Cold Blood
5/5 Seal Fate
1/1 Vigor
Combat (2 points)
2/2 Improved Sinister Strike
Subtlety (18 points)
5/5 Camouflage
5/5 Elusiveness
5/5 Initiative
3/3 Improved Sap
I think you are right, this would get me where I want to go. I really want quicker combo points so I can apply the right debuff or dot to the mob. It has high poisons, which I like. It also brings back fast movement in stealth and Improved Sap. I like to be able to deal with multiple mobs. I really love Blade Fury, but I suppose sapping one and still being able to open with a cheap shot on a second is a viable alternative. |
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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wscott81
Sill Pixel Challenged
Guild Member
Total Posts: 681
Location: Columbus Ohio
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| 07/14/2006 11:04 PM |
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Ok i sm gonna unbury this i dont' Care if you dont' want to think about it i want my 2 cents in  ok i know alot of peps like Umm Swords on rouges ... I don't ! lol Ok so here i s my *rant* 1) Sword rogues want one thing in most Cases NOT ALL but most they want to be #1 On the Dmg Meters. Well Personally I dont' also I dont' Have a Real Cookie Cutter Build @ least To my knowledge cause i didn't Look @ peps Builds Or anything Along those lines I went by what i thought would be good. I may not have the Highest out put of all time and Mages and hunters Can Out DPS me... Meh so what ? I Perfer the Gank style of Play and the Ability of being able to walk up to somethin sap it and then Walk Through it w/o aggroing it i also think that the way i am built is good For PvE as well as some PvP
My Build is as Follows 21 pts in Assassination 3/3 imp Evis 5/5 Mailce 3/3 Ruthlessness 1/1 renlentless strikes 2/2 murder 5/5 Leathality 1/5 Vile Posions 1/1 Cold Blood a big GOOSE egg in Combat 30 pts in Subtley 5/5 Camoflauge 5/5 Master of Deception 5/5 Rapid Concalment 5/5 Opportunity 3/3 Improved ambush 3/5 Initiative 1/1 Preperation 3/3 Improved Sap
Yes this a "diffrent" build than Most But my thing Is Gettin behind osmeone when you are quik not that Tough. easy Actually it is Just Hard when you are Havin like 6 Peps have Aggro. other than that 1 to 2 Hits and Most anything that is Not your Lvl Dead. On the Other Hand I dont' have the best Gear lol S o My Health is Low But I am Workin on more. But with things your Lvl you can use the Nice Stuff like daggers that have Some Nice stats too . But hey Most Of the Swords are for Hunters and warrs IMO but still It's all good one way or another It's easy to Do things when you are used to them  |
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seeker
Swords are fun!
Council Member
Total Posts: 3245
Location: Indy, no NV, no Indy, no NV....
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| 07/15/2006 5:59 PM |
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beer, like you said a lot of this kinda stuff's determined by your goals
imp sap and a lot of the other fun toys just don't work in MC, so folks who want to focus on that -- won't have it.
folks who like 5/10 mans love it.
now, once 1.12 comes out -- all this is up in the air again (have you messed w/ the newest talent calc for 1.12 -- wow) |
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Sabre (70 warrior)
Sceptre (70 warlock)
Thornkiss (70 priest)
Chibi (62 rogue)
and a slew of others, 9 - 53 |
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wscott81
Sill Pixel Challenged
Guild Member
Total Posts: 681
Location: Columbus Ohio
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| 07/16/2006 12:00 AM |
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Yes Sir i have and STILL i will be Sub Assassin Combat is Not my Cup of tea no Matter How it is Sliced. I agree for 5 and 10 man its Nice to have imp Sap but I still Like having it cause there could be a Use Down the Line for it in a 40 man some where one Day that is My Thinkin and to be Honest I used to NEVER use sap then It saved my Butt and I love it now
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Trefalgar
Pie Paragon
Council Member
Total Posts: 4160
Location: Atlanta, GA
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| 07/16/2006 9:25 PM |
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Well.... since you are digging it up again. I tried high combat swords spec for a long while. I went back to a 31/2/18 permutation again with improved sap, cold blood, and lots of combo point generating talents. I still use swords, but that is because I am lazy and don't want to dance around the mobs. It's just me. Also, in the Tier 0 instances you can't hardly ever get behind the mobs cause people are flipping them around so much.
I use my rogue to farm outside a lot, so mibs are dead really quick. I want to get combo points quick and apply something (rupture, expose armor, kidney shot) depending on the mob i need to kill. It has to be fast or it isn't really worth it.
The nice thing about rogues is there really are a LOT of different ways to do talents and play them. I think they are one of the more diverse classes that way. Many of the other classes really get locked into only a couple talent builds. |
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-Special Agent Trefal, CHU (Counter Horde Unit), Rogue Ops
-Lord Marshall of Forum Nonsense |
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wscott81
Sill Pixel Challenged
Guild Member
Total Posts: 681
Location: Columbus Ohio
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| 07/19/2006 2:38 PM |
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Yea that is True in the Test Server with the Whole thing about the Premade (i have Transferred Beer over Will be playin once it gets back up) *and on my Day off* grrrrr any way the Premades yes they are in T2 Yea they have so Dope Stuff for Swords/Daggers but i was able to Take out with that toon a lvl 61+ a lvl 59+ a Lvl 57+ and another 57+ up in the Hearth glen with Sub and Assassin Build i don't remeber how i have it set up it's been like 3 days lol but i was doing my Sneak behind and Kill Tactic
And if you are Skilled Enough you can Sap Stuff even in High Lvl areas IE zg the Other night 
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