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11/17/2006 10:19 AM  

Warlocks, if you want to know how a template works in beta feel free to post the template here and give me a few days to test it.

To give you some background on the gear I will test with I have a mixture of AQ20 quest gear, ZG quest gear, 3 pcs of tier 2, and 5 pieces of tier 1 on.  I have 715 plus damage gear total. 

I will be happy to give yall a rundown on any spec you like.  keep in mind the rundown will be from someone that is used to being very high damage sbolt caster and now just loves his felguard.

Spec tested:                Results: D-   only reliable damage was from lucky ruin crits
Level 70 Warlock (18/14/29)
Affliction (18 points)
Improved Corruption - Rank 5/5
Reduces the casting time of your Corruption spell by 2 sec.

Improved Drain Soul - Rank 1/2
Returns 7% of your maximum mana if the target is killed by you while you drain its soul. In addition, your Affliction spells generate 5% less threat.

Improved Life Tap - Rank 2/2
Increases the amount of Mana awarded by your Life Tap spell by 20%.

Soul Siphon - Rank 2/2
Increases the amount drained by your Drain Life and Drain Mana spells by an additional 5% for each Affliction effect on the target, up to a maximum of 60% additional effect.

Fel Concentration - Rank 5/5
Gives you a 70% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while channeling the Drain Life, Drain Mana, or Drain Soul spell.

Empowered Corruption - Rank 3/3
Your Corruption spell gains an additional 36% of your bonus spell damage effects.

Demonology (14 points)
Improved Imp - Rank 3/3
Increases the effect of your Imp's Firebolt, Fire Shield, and Blood Pact spells by 30%.

Demonic Embrace - Rank 5/5
Increases your total Stamina by 15% but reduces your total Spirit by 5%.

Fel Intellect - Rank 3/3
Increases the Intellect of your Imp, Voidwalker, Succubus, Felhunter and Felguard by 15% and increases your maximum mana by 3%.

Demonic Aegis - Rank 3/3
Increases the effectiveness of your Demon Armor and Fel Armor spells by 30%.

Destruction (29 points)
Cataclysm - Rank 5/5
Reduces the Mana cost of your Destruction spells by 5%.

Bane - Rank 5/5
Reduces the casting time of your Shadow Bolt and Immolate spells by 0.5 sec and your Soul Fire spell by 2 sec.

Improved Firebolt - Rank 2/2
Reduces the casting time of your Imp's Firebolt spell by 1 sec.

Devastation - Rank 5/5
Increases the critical strike chance of your Destruction spells by 5%.

Shadowburn - Rank 1/1
Instantly blasts the target for 597 to 665 Shadow damage. If the target dies within 5 secs of Shadowburn, and yields experience or honor, the caster gains a Soul Shard

Destructive Reach - Rank 2/2
Increases the range of your Destruction spells by 20% and reduces threat caused by Destruction spells by 10%.

Improved Immolate - Rank 5/5
Increases the initial damage of your Immolate spell by 25%.

Ruin - Rank 1/1
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Destruction spells by 100%.

Emberstorm - Rank 3/5
Increases the damage done by your Fire spells by 6%.


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11/17/2006 10:22 AM  
Spec tested: RESULTS: A+ heavy damage, heavy cc capability, best tank available, Excellent mana conservation, no real downtime, healers love you.

Level 70 Warlock (18/43/0)

Affliction (18 points)
Suppression - Rank 1/5
Reduces the chance for enemies to resist your Affliction spells by 2%.

Improved Corruption - Rank 5/5
Reduces the casting time of your Corruption spell by 2 sec.

Improved Life Tap - Rank 2/2
Increases the amount of Mana awarded by your Life Tap spell by 20%.

Soul Siphon - Rank 2/2
Increases the amount drained by your Drain Life and Drain Mana spells by an additional 5% for each Affliction effect on the target, up to a maximum of 60% additional effect.

Fel Concentration - Rank 5/5
Gives you a 70% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while channeling the Drain Life, Drain Mana, or Drain Soul spell.

Empowered Corruption - Rank 3/3
Your Corruption spell gains an additional 36% of your bonus spell damage effects.
Demonology (43 points)
Improved Imp - Rank 3/3
Increases the effect of your Imp's Firebolt, Fire Shield, and Blood Pact spells by 30%.

Demonic Embrace - Rank 5/5
Increases your total Stamina by 15% but reduces your total Spirit by 5%.

Improved Health Funnel - Rank 2/2
Increases the amount of Health transfered by your Health Funnel spell by 20% and reduces the health cost by 20%.

Fel Domination - Rank 1/1
Your next Imp, Voidwalker, Succubus, Felhunter or Felguard Summon spell has its casting time reduced by 5.5 sec and its Mana cost reduced by 50%.

Fel Stamina - Rank 3/3
Increases the Stamina of your Imp, Voidwalker, Succubus, Felhunter and Felguard by 15% and increases your maximum health by 3%.

Demonic Aegis - Rank 3/3
Increases the effectiveness of your Demon Armor and Fel Armor spells by 30%.

Master Summoner - Rank 2/2
Reduces the casting time of your Imp, Voidwalker, Succubus, Felhunter and Felguard Summoning spells by 4 sec and the Mana cost by 40%.

Unholy Power - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage done by your Voidwalker, Succubus, Felhunter and Felguard's melee attacks by 20%.

Demonic Sacrifice - Rank 1/1
When activated, sacrifices your summoned demon to grant you an effect that lasts 30 min. The effect is canceled if any Demon is summoned.

Imp: Increases your Fire damage by 15%.

Voidwalker: Restores 3% of total Health every 4 sec.

Succubus: Increases your Shadow damage by 15%.

Felhunter: Restores 2% of total Mana every 4 sec.

Felguard: Increases your Shadow damage by 10% and restores 2% of total mana every 6 sec.

Mana Feed - Rank 3/3
When you gain mana from Drain Mana or Life Tap spells, your pet gains 100% of the mana you gain

Master Demonologist - Rank 5/5
Grants both the Warlock and the summoned demon an effect as long as that demon is active.

Imp - Reduces threat caused by 20%.

Voidwalker - Reduces physical damage taken by 10%.

Succubus - Increases all damage caused by 10%.

Felhunter - Increases all resistances by 1 per level.

Felguard - Increases all damage caused by 5% and all resistances by 0.5 per level.

Soul Link - Rank 1/1
When active, 30% of all damage taken by the caster is taken by your Imp, Voidwalker, Succubus, Felhunter or Felguard demon instead. In addition, both the demon and the master will inflict 3% more damage. Lasts as long as the demon is active.

Demonic Knowledge - Rank 3/3
Increases your spell damage by an amount equal to 15% of the total of your active demon's Stamina plus Intellect.

Demonic Tactics - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage caused by you and your summoned demon by 5%.

Summon Felguard - Rank 1/1
Summons a Felguard under the command of the Warlock.
Destruction (0 points)
None

Toxicsweet 60 lock/ beta 64 warlock
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11/17/2006 10:24 AM  
Okay so now you have seen two of the specs.  If you have a specific spec that you would like us to try out.  Copy and paste the link or copy the spec and I or maybe Meresitt will try it out for you.  Respeccing in beta is only costing us 1 cp so I have no problems trying to do it.

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11/17/2006 6:50 PM  
I'll be happy to help, just post a spec and I'll tell you how it worked in beta.

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11/17/2006 7:18 PM  
I tried a heavy affiliction build, the one I thought I would do before I got a beta invite, and I would grade about a C. Okay dmg (not as high as demo) but very low survivibily. I tried this grinding and on a few quests. My guess is this would be good for raiding, but for leveling it's a pain.

Affliction (41 points)

Suppression - Rank 2/5
Reduces the chance for enemies to resist your Affliction spells by 4%.

Improved Corruption - Rank 5/5
Reduces the casting time of your Corruption spell by 2 sec.

Improved Drain Soul - Rank 2/2
Returns 15% of your maximum mana if the target is killed by you while you drain its soul. In addition, your Affliction spells generate 10% less threat.

Improved Life Tap - Rank 2/2
Increases the amount of Mana awarded by your Life Tap spell by 20%.

Soul Siphon - Rank 2/2
Increases the amount drained by your Drain Life and Drain Mana spells by an additional 5% for each Affliction effect on the target, up to a maximum of 60% additional effect.

Fel Concentration - Rank 5/5
Gives you a 70% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while channeling the Drain Life, Drain Mana, or Drain Soul spell.

Grim Reach - Rank 2/2
Increases the range of your Affliction spells by 20%.

Nightfall - Rank 2/2
Gives your Corruption and Drain Life spells a 4% chance to cause you to enter a Shadow Trance state after damaging the opponent. The Shadow Trance state reduces the casting time of your next Shadow Bolt spell by 100%.

Empowered Corruption - Rank 3/3
Your Corruption spell gains an additional 36% of your bonus spell damage effects.

Shadow Embrace - Rank 1/5
Your Corruption, Curse of Agony, Siphon Life and Seed of Corruption spells also cause the Shadow Embrace effect, which reduces physical damage caused by 1%.

Siphon Life - Rank 1/1
Transfers 66 health from the target to the caster every 3 sec. Lasts 30 sec

Shadow Mastery - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage dealt or life drained by your Shadow spells by 10%.

Contagion - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage of Curse of Agony, Corruption and Seed of Corruption by 5% and reduces the chance your Affliction spells will be dispelled by an additional 30%.

Dark Pact - Rank 1/1
Drains 700 of your pet's Mana, returning 100% to you

Improved Howl of Terror - Rank 2/2
Reduces the casting time of your Howl of Terror spell by 1.5 sec.

Unstable Affliction - Rank 1/1
Shadow energy slowly destroys the target, causing 1050 damage over 18 sec. In addition, if the Unstable Affliction is dispelled it will cause 1575 damage to the dispeller and silence them for 5 sec.

Demonology (0 points)

None

Destruction (16 points)

Improved Shadow Bolt - Rank 5/5
Your Shadow Bolt critical strikes increase Shadow damage dealt to the target by 20% until 4 non-periodic damage sources are applied. Effect lasts a maximum of 12 sec.

Bane - Rank 5/5
Reduces the casting time of your Shadow Bolt and Immolate spells by 0.5 sec and your Soul Fire spell by 2 sec.

Devastation - Rank 4/5
Increases the critical strike chance of your Destruction spells by 4%.

Shadowburn - Rank 1/1
Instantly blasts the target for 597 to 665 Shadow damage. If the target dies within 5 secs of Shadowburn, and yields experience or honor, the caster gains a Soul Shard

Destructive Reach - Rank 1/2
Increases the range of your Destruction spells by 10% and reduces threat caused by Destruction spells by 5%.

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11/18/2006 10:42 AM  
can you try out this one? HEAVY destruction spec


http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warlock/talents.html?0500220000000000000001050020000000000000000055000512200510531351

Sabre (70 warrior)
Sceptre (70 warlock)
Thornkiss (70 priest)
Chibi (62 rogue)
and a slew of others, 9 - 53
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11/18/2006 5:42 PM  
Sure,, will post reply soon

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11/19/2006 4:51 PM  
Ok I tried the spec,I ran around 6-7 quest and one quest chain with it. I wasn't able to test it in an instance. The damage is impressive, I was getting 1111 crits with immolate and a few 2k shadowbolts.  (This is similar damage to demology but just a bit higher on the nukes and lower on the dots) I think this would be a great raiding spec but for leveling I didnt care for it too much. But mana was a big downfall, I was using my voidwalker to tank and he just can't hold the aggro. Hope that helps.

Mere

BTW Shadowfury is fun, but the damage is really low,, 400-500  1K crits. But it does stun although this was resisted a couple times.

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11/19/2006 8:49 PM  
I ran 41 affliction and had different results. I found the dmg to fairly good but not huge numbers it was dot then stack in a drain life and you end the fight in about 5-10 secs or less and have almost full mana. While it was a pain tagging a mob before someone else I had zero issues grinding mobs and found it easier with less downtime then the heavy dest build I tested. Also the fact that you have multiple instant cast on the move spells with going full affliction.

I plan on doing a 44/17/0 build at release all built around dots and increasing raid dps with the increased coe/cos.  I felt the dest talents didnt help much since with afflictions its all about dots not the shadowbolts.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5061334627194129060&q=warlocks+tbc&hl=en

Thats a crazy video showing the nonstop aoe grinding power of an affliction warlock with just a healer.
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11/20/2006 12:43 AM  
What about these two templates?

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warlock/talents.html?3500222012030000000000052030133250101501351000000000000000000000

20/41/0 Spec

vs.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warlock/talents.html?3500222010030000000000052030133250103501351000000000000000000000

18/43/0 Spec

I'm trying to figure out which is better, improved range on my affliction spells or 66% more mana to my pet. Also, if you guys think that any of these builds are dumb for whatever reason, as long as you back it up, I'll at least listen. I just love the idea of a giant scary demon guarding me. Anyway, thanks again guys.

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11/20/2006 10:40 AM  
Hello karosa,
The second one is better, i personaly use the 100percent more mana for the pet. When I lifetap, its nice to see "Toxins recieves 1103 mana from lifetap. Jhuuron recieves 1103 mana from lifetap." The felguard has a NICE area cleave every 6 secs that munchies through mana fast. If you have the opportunity, grab the black book from BWL. Really nice damage then. I have seen crits of 1200 to 1300 with black book active.

Also CoW is super buffed in xpac. I sometimes use it on the super fast mobs and it reduces thier damage down to nothing. Im even considering putting 2 pts in improved CoW to help out with raids. Who doesnt want 100 plus damage removed from a mobs attacks.

60 toxicsweet lock / 65 toxins beta lock
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11/20/2006 12:21 PM  
Thanks for the info so far Toxic, but...realistically, the best I'll be doing for gear is blue loot from 5-mans by the new year.

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11/20/2006 3:41 PM  
Um Karosa you need to modify your statement a little.  You will be in Xpac greens for a long time.  ONLY reason im not in them is cuz of set bonuses.  If I didnt have the felheart for the 5 piece bonus i would be in greens right now.  The greens are just insane at the moment.  Your talking lvl 58 green chest pieces cloth with 30+ stamina 20+intellectu with 20+damage on them.  I had a blue already from an instnace that replaced my epic dagger from AQ20.  That is how good the minor loot in the expansion is. 

60 toxicsweet lock/ beta 65 toxins lock.
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11/20/2006 4:35 PM  
I was making that statement in response to the "if you can, grab the BWL Black Book" because...realistically...its not going to happen I'll probably just end up grabbing the Scholo offhand or something similar by the new year. Once the Xpac hits, I'll be running through there grabbing whatever I can get, but...till then...I'll level up towards 60 and grab some (relatively) easy loot.

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