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Oryx 
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| 05/12/2008 11:37 AM |
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| Ye I actually stopped using it for awhile because it was so complex. Now that they added the configuring ui, it makes it a bit simpler to figure out what is what. The main thing is remember which icon means what. Red = the person has aggro, green = they have hots/your hots running on them, purple = healing reduced/mortal strike etc. Well - I have to cut this short to log in and rez Way. >.< |
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Oryx 70 rogue ~ Enshalaa 70 Priest ~ Khaarma 33 Druid
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Wayanoru
Brownie Enthusiast
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Location: CA
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| 06/07/2008 2:48 PM |
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Posted By Oryx on 05/12/2008 11:37 AM
Ye I actually stopped using it for awhile because it was so complex. Now that they added the configuring ui, it makes it a bit simpler to figure out what is what. The main thing is remember which icon means what. Red = the person has aggro, green = they have hots/your hots running on them, purple = healing reduced/mortal strike etc. Well - I have to cut this short to log in and rez Way. >.<
You don't HAVE to rez me, but is it a good idea usually? Yes.
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Oryx
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Total Posts: 496
Location: Denver
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| 06/07/2008 7:39 PM |
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| Pfff I did have to rez you, because you were surrounded by mobs on your mage. Newb. |
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Oryx 70 rogue ~ Enshalaa 70 Priest ~ Khaarma 33 Druid
The AFK Queen. |
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Oryx
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Guild Member
Total Posts: 496
Location: Denver
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| 07/21/2008 3:00 PM |
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A link to some good info about Grid on Resto4Life.com
http://www.resto4life.com/2008/06/25/grid-thinking-within-the-boxes/
And some healing forums:
http://www.plusheal.com/index.php
http://www.lightnatured.com/
Enjoy! =)
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Oryx 70 rogue ~ Enshalaa 70 Priest ~ Khaarma 33 Druid
The AFK Queen. |
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Obijay
Advocate with the Iron Cat Paw
Guild Officer
Total Posts: 414
Location: Lacey, WA
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| 07/21/2008 3:35 PM |
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Since this is our all purpose HEALORZ thread, I wanted to see what I could do to improve my Pally healing. Most raids have the holy pally as the tank healbot, pumping out those holy lights like they are going out of style. I'm currently not using any actual healer add ons, but here's the general rundown of what I do.
1 - Tank charges in, I cast a downranked (Rank 5) Holy Light to kickstart Light's Grace, and to heal that initial hit. I find rank 5 is comparable mana and healwise to my highest Flash of Light. For boss fights also pop Divine Illumination.
2 - As I'm still building up more +heal and +crit, I ping out a max rank Holy Light when the tank is around 75%-80%. This will usually heal them to full without a crit. If the tank is above 85% and Light's Grace is about to fade, I bang out another downrank to keep it going. Pop Divine Illumination when cooldown is up
3 - If the tank is good, I ping out Flash of Light's to the rest of the party/raid as needed. If things get hairy I hit Divine Favor to get a guaranteed crit and bring back much needed mana. I will also do this once mana gets to around 40% just to build some back up.
I know as I get higher crit % I won't have to worry about mana as much, but things are a bit tough right now. Any tricks or tips are greatly appreciated. Mkeyai has already been coaching me a ton and I've improved because of it, but I'm always eager to learn more. |
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Marethen - 41 Frost Mage (Enchant 300 //Tailor 269)
Cearwyn - 33 Paladin (Engineer 172 //Mining 119) |
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Oryx
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Total Posts: 496
Location: Denver
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| 07/21/2008 6:58 PM |
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Lol you said "ping" and "bang". Yer so dps at heart. =P
Me personally on all of my healing toons, if I am healing a tank on a non-druid, I do a lot of cancel casting. I have "V" bound to my /stopcasting macro, and I do "on-demand" heals if their are hots running on my target. If the target's health drops below 75% I wind up a greater heal rank 1 (on Enshalaa) and push V right before it goes off IF the target's health is full. Basically I am casting on and off about 50% of the time, and tossing my hots, shields, and PoM.
Priests and paladins have a difficult time squeezing a heal in if there is a druid running full stacks of LB, rejuv, regrowth on a tank. Cast times are so long compared to a tree able to toss out over 3k healing in the span of seconds. This is why I do a lot of stop-casting on my priest, and constantly chain-cast greater heals, so if the tank takes a big hit, there is 2500 worth of health in bound at any given time, and the other healers have time to do what they need to do as well.
I can't vouch for much in terms of paladins, because I never found them interesting enough to level one past 15.
The more +heal you get, the easier it is going to be for you to down rank, and the easier it will be for you to conserve mana. You'll get there.
And I'm not going to lie, healing has a lot to do with reaction and being able to stare at litle green bars like some paranoid freak. Do some testing on yourself, find out what you average for certain heals, so you can always be sure that you are choosing the correct rank of a spell for the amount of health needed.
Enshalaa uses rank 1, 2, and 5 Greater Heal. Each rank heals for similar amounts non-crit, 2500-3500 range. But my rank 1 Greater Heal crits for well over 4k. I very rarely use anything over rank 1 outside of 5 mans because nothing hits THAT hard in heroics. On Gruul or ZA, I am shielding, PoM, Renewing and cranking out a rank 2 constantly, and rank 5 if someone drops very low.
At times I find it easier to just keep people alive rather then topped off, because that is what counts. Tanks on certain fights DO need to be constantly topped off (Prince, Bear), but you'll find your rhythm when you know people aren't going to die. It just takes practice! =) Gotta run to class, hope this helps. =P |
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Oryx 70 rogue ~ Enshalaa 70 Priest ~ Khaarma 33 Druid
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Oryx
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Total Posts: 496
Location: Denver
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| 07/23/2008 4:55 PM |
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Manipulating the Five Second Rule
As I have already covered what the FSR is in my initial posts, so I am going to assume that anyone reading this far in understands its mechanics.
In order to maximize your time out of the FSR, if you have any form of instant cast spell that you are planning on using in a spell rotation, you always want to cast the instant cast spell immediately after casting a timed or channeled spell. What this does is maximizes the time you spend out of the FSR by having to cast a longer timed spell, and then as that spell goes off, when you activate the instant cast spell, you enter the FSR immediately once the instant cast spell goes off.
Basically, if you cast an instant cast spell before casting a cast-time spell, it causes you to already be inside the FSR for the duration you are casting the longer spell, so you don't regen any mana from Spirit.
Examples:
A druid is on raid healing. Someone has taken splash aoe damage. The druid will toss a down-ranked regrowth (2.5 second cast time) on them and immediately swiftmend or rejuv or lifebloom them as the regrowth cast time ends.
A priest is healing a tank. The tank takes a large spike of damage while the priest is casting a greater heal (2.5 second cast time), and as the heal lands on the tank the priest casts Prayer of Mending to buff the tank in case he takes another heavy hit.
Classes that have channeled or cast-time spells want to use a down ranked version of their longest cast time spells as their main heals in order to give a decent amount of regen time, pack a heavier amount of healing, and these spells cost less then faster cast spells on average.
Priests use Greater Heal, Paladins use Holy Light if main tank healing, Druids are just OP and don't need to worry about this, unless they are having difficulty only rolling Lifebloom and Rejuv, and Shamans use Chain Heal and Healing Wave. These spells will give optimal regen time.
Shorter cast spells should only be used on squishier targets who are in need of health quickly or they will die, as these spells use more mana more quickly because we have a tendency to "spam" them.
Paladins are exempt from this because Flash of Light, if used correctly and literally spammed non -stop during certain boss fights, can offer a great buffer for other healers to work with, and if they crit decently, will regen mana for the paladin. Some paladins enjoy healing like this, others don't, so try each out and find what you like and are comfortable with.
In order to counter effects of latency/lag on your casts, I recommend getting a mod that allows your cast bar to show a latency meter on it which will tell you when you can presumably cast your next spell. Xperl has one that you can enable in your character pane cast bar, and Ecastingbar or Quartz have them as well.
I recommend Quartz out of the three.
Over Healing
Over healing is one of the most confusing bits of information given to us by various healing meters, and Wow Web Stats if you use it. Initially, when WoW was still new, and healers were able to down rank their spells to bare minimum lvl 20 spells and use that as their main heal, over healing was a bad thing. It meant the healers casts were going off too late as the other healers in 40 man raids were casting, and the healer wasn't stopping their casts and conserving mana, and the heal was technically "wasted".
If this happened with all of the healers because they were stuck in a "loop" of their casts all going off at the same time, a wipe would usually occur after the healers were oom, and healers would be blamed for it. It was very important to collaborate between each healer and see when they were casting and try not to cast at the same time as them. Of course, in those days, healers would do healing rotations with healing the MT, and their was usually only one MT to heal. Things were a bit simpler, but now with the expansion, things are far different.
Raids often require two or more tanks, and with 10 mans, there are usually two or three healers present. Mechanics of certain classes have been changed to give them different ways of healing and off setting the HUGE amounts of damage that raid encounters now dish out to tanks.
Quoting Hammaerus on the Slack forums:
Here's the two major questions I always ask myself after fights:
a) Did someone die?
b) Did I run oom?
(I'm always raid healing, so for me its "someone" - if you're tank healing, just worry about the tank)
Analysis:
Result #1: a = no, b = no: good job - fight is on farm
Result #2: a = no, b = yes: good job, but work on mana efficiency next time
Result #3: a = yes, b = no: I screwed up, should have been healing more
Result #4: a = yes, b = yes: not a good sign - fight needs work
**Result #5: a = no, b = yes, but just as fight ended: perfect job, that's exactly what you want
Bottom line: if you didn't run oom, and someone / your tank died -
that's bad. Its much better to get 70% overhealing and have your target
live than to let them die.
What does this mean? If you find a pull / boss where your target
dies a lot, start spam casting your biggest / most powerful heals on
your target(s). Don't worry about mana efficiency or overhealing at
all, just SPAMCAST. If you run oom during the fight, let the other
healers know and rest a bit to get some mana back, then jump back into
the fray.
If this gives you result #2, then ok - now try backing off slightly
the next time. Then slightly more. Then slightly more. Until you reach
Result #5 (target alive, oom at the exact end of the battle). Then stick with what you're doing.
If you keep getting result #3...that's not a good thing. Overhealing
<> bad; heal target dead = bad. Ask for more help on your target,
and change your strategy until you're at least getting result #4.
If you keep getting result #4, ask for more help in healing your
target. We're a team, and if we need to re-allocate then so be it.
Bottom line - don't get caught up in WWS, Damagemeter, Recount or any other idea that states that over healing is a bad thing. There is a difference between wasting your heals when your target didn't need healing at all, and keeping heals in-bound to your target because if you didn't, they would die. It is simpler to just cancel-cast using a /stopcasting macro and offer on-demand healing to a tank then to let your heals go off when the tank was topped off, then the mob getting two lucky crushing blows right as they were at full health, and the tank losing over 60% of their health - would you rather have someone with a heal incoming at that moment, or have healers not casting and the tank falls over from the next non-crit hit?
Always keep in mind that if everyone survived or their were minimal deaths and the encounter was finished, people were rezzed and loot was given out - then you did your job and you should be happy with that, over healing or not. You don't HAVE to keep everyone topped off, but you can at least say you kept them alive and downed the boss! =)
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Spell Haste
Copied directly from a thread about spell haste on plusheal.com. ( Be warned, this is coming from the view point of someone in a tier 6 raiding guild, so not all of this will apply to people still gearing up healers for tier 4 and 5 content.)
In this thread I'm going to outline the value
of spell haste and give you guys quick numbers on how much haste it
takes to get to certain landmarks for healing.
Currently spell
haste is at a value, determined by Blizzard and their gems, of 10 spell
haste = 22 healing. Quickly recap how gems are worth (only listing
healing ones).
Red - 22 Healing (all)
Blue - 10 Spirit (Druid,Priest), 4 mp5 (Shaman,Pally), 15 Stamina (not needed)
Yellow - 10 Haste (all), 10 Int (Pally), 10 Spell Crit (Pally)
So in essence it is as follows:
22 healing = 10 Spirit/Int/Haste/Crit = 4 mp5
Giving us all the half gems:
11 healing = 5 Spirit/Int/Haste/Crit = 2 mp5
So
Blizz is saying, we think 10 spell haste is = 22 healing etc. etc. But
in reality we get a lot more benefit out of haste, a lot.
Please correct me if I am wrong, I know what I know for priests but for you other three classes I still have learning to do.
Druids - Healing is the most important by far, followed by haste (to a cap for an extra global cooldown), then regen.
Priests - Need a great mixture of haste and regen in the form of spirit, followed by haste.
Shaman - Need a mixture of haste, healing, and regen. Are all three equal? Or do you guys need one more than the other?
Paladins - A mixture of haste, healing, crit. Is regen needed when you have high enough crit?
I
have come up with a rubric (guideline) for how I gem my gear and so far
it is working great. Red (11 healing 5 spirit), Blue (10 Spirit),
Yellow (10 Haste). I follow this exactly and currently I am still
finding I am a bit low on regen, but that is substituted with
consumables so I really only want more haste.
It is different
with each class of course because for priests we get very little
benefit from +healing to our main spells (CoH and PoM), after that we
get full benefit on greater heal, and partial on binding/flash.
Shaman,
you guys see great benefits from healing and haste on chain heal. I
think that once you hit a healing and regen cap, the only thing to do
is go haste. It will significantly increase your HPS.
Druids,
you guys should try to obtain the haste to get that extra GCD in your
cycle. Acquire the haste pieces but also some fights you won't need it
so make sure to be socketing stuff with full 22 healing.
Pallys,
again haste will increase your HPS significantly and since that is what
we are concerned with nearing the last few fights on sunwell that is
what we need to work on.
Spell haste - FROM ELITIST JERKS FORUMS
Formerly a worthless
stat, haste serves a purpose now that it reduces the GCD. It does this
using the same formula that it reduces spellcasts with, meaning your
GCD will be: 2355 / ( H + 1570 ), where H is your haste rating. There
are two primary uses of haste: first, to attempt to stack haste high
enough to achieve a 5 GCD cycle, as opposed to the normal 4 GCD cycle
(see the section on "Rolling Lifebloom" if you don't know what this
means). This allows for some interesting 5 GCD cycles, for example see
the "Healing Strategies" section and look for the "hasted" multiple
tank cycles. If you are interested in pulling off a 5 GCD hasted cycle,
you will need a theoretical minimum of 113 spell haste in order to get
a 1.4 second GCD. It is extremely likely that you will need more than
this in a real-world situation due to latency effects, and possibly
significantly more. Druids later in this thread have reported success
in the 250-280 haste range.
The second use of haste is to allow
us generally deliver healing more quickly by speeding up the GCD. Even
if you do not have enough haste to achieve a 5 GCD cycle, a moderate
amount of haste will improve the speed of the rejuvenation+swiftmend
combo, allow you to deliver healing to a tank in crisis faster, and
allow you to spread HoTs around the raid faster. If you intend to use
haste in this fashion, it can be very useful when you are splitting
your attention between a single tank and the raid. For this reason I
believe haste is a useful stat to have on a generalist healing set.
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Oryx 70 rogue ~ Enshalaa 70 Priest ~ Khaarma 33 Druid
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violettetare
Silly Cat Lady
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| 08/21/2008 5:00 AM |
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Posted By Oryx on 07/23/2008 4:55 PM Paladins - A mixture of haste, healing, crit. Is regen needed when you have high enough crit?
Depending on which buffs I have, Temun has between 25%-35% crit.
I find that I am needing alot more mp5 in raid situations(higher zones such as Z'A) as I start to run dry and pop more mana pots. But for 5 mans and Kara my crit keeps me up perfectly and I rarely dip into my mana pool.
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Mkeyai 70 Tank Drood .. Muhja 70 Afflic Lock .. Angevina 70 Holy Priest .. Dhalei 70 BM/Srvl Hunter .. Temun 70 Holy Paladin .. Helba 70 Fire Mage .. Sevati 70 Prot Pally .. Goewyn 69 Shadow Priest .. Ashu 42+ rogue .. Sesame 45+ warrior .. Korast 40+ shaman
 
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