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01/03/2007 8:07 PM  
Input from other warriors (heck, or others with thoughts) welcome

#1: One warrior for Phase 1 and another for Phase 3 is really nice.  Ony's firebolts in Phase 2 zero out agro, and P1's tank always eats one.  Even a P2 tank has to work on it for a bit, but at least it's not as bad.

#2: 250 FR before pally buffs is a must-have to tank.  It's also really handy in P2, as 250 seems to be the sweet spot for resisting deep breaths.  Deep breath is 4 all-or-nothing pulses: you fully resist the dmg, or you eat all of it.  If I have 250+FR, i typically resist 2-3 pulses. 200FR, and usually only 1 pulse doesn't hit.

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01/04/2007 8:21 AM  
The P3 fear bursts are a problem, especially the first couple until the MT has firm aggro after Onyxia lands. I died on Tuesday night because I resisted fear (common for me). I noticed we lost 5 or 6 people immediately because of that, then things stabilized. I don't think anyone else died until Onyxia went down after the initial carnage.

It's really important for the P3 MT to not get feared.  Doesn't berserker stance make you immune?  The tanks i've seen lately seem like they could take another 10% damage or whatever the debuff is from berserker stance.

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01/04/2007 11:25 AM  
SIgn me up! Though I will attempt to make it when I can, since I get off of work when the raid invites begin, so i usually take about 10-12 min to get home.. course, not including the queue times, nevertheless the idea seems pretty good!

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01/04/2007 11:51 AM  
Zerker vs Defensive isn't a fun decision, but at the end of the day:

Defensive for the win.

If you tank in zerker, you are:
1) taking 20% more dmg (from -10% in defensive to +10% in zerker) and
2) generating -10% or -25% threat (-10% from zerker(the 10% increase in weapon dmg helps offset somewhat), and if you have the +15% threat in defensive, you don't get that)

Like you said, zerker stance lets you do zerker rage once every 30 seconds, so you ignore 1 fear every 30 seconds. I agree that much of the time, the increased dmg would be survivable, but the decrease in threat is bad, very bad.

Warriors don't tend to be at the top of the threat list when Ony lands. Hunters feigning and rogues vanishing helps, but pity the druids and priests who've been healing -- we always lose a couple (and often a warlock; mages can ice block, and since they've been on whelp duty, they're usually lower down anyway). Since taunt doesn't work on ony, the warrior has to build up his threat to take over agro, and all that time, she's rampaging through the raid eating folks.

One thing warriors can do about the fears is tank in defensive and watch for Ony to start casting a "bellowing roar", then stance-dance and zerker rage. The problem is, it's a twitch-game because her cast seems to be about 1.5 seconds, and a stance shift triggers the 1 sec global cooldown. Slow connections (like mine this week) or a slow stance-dance, and it's scared-little-child time.

There's also death wish (21 pt fury talent: fear immunity for 30 sec once every 3 minutes)....

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01/04/2007 3:25 PM  
Best way to avoid the fear is to have a dwarf priest anyway.

I really liked when we had 3-4 tanks trying to grab aggro in P3. I think we were able to control her better when we did that. I'm only at 180 FR without buffs, but I'm willing to take one for the team if we want to try that again.
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01/04/2007 4:39 PM  
I've had some success casting Fade (instant large aggro reduction for priests lasts a few seconds) when she comes down and right before she does the first fear.

That also tends suffer a little from the timing issues Sabre mentioned. It doesn't totally dump aggro, but it helps. Healers that resist the first fear -- BEWARE! :-).

For priests, you can also bubble yourself and start casting heals on yourself right as that first fear happens. That also can help. It's just a lot of frantic putton mashing all at once. It's hard to do (with the global cooldown).

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01/04/2007 5:47 PM  
Dwarf priest or zerker rage, eventually Ony's gonna get you. After all, unlike Mags, her fears are somewhat random, and they can occur more frequently than every 30 seconds. Here's hoping the tank resists the one that gets through!

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