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09/09/2005 2:54 PM  

Introduction

In 1929, a group of historians found an amazing map drawn on a gazelle skin.
Research showed that it was a genuine document drawn in 1513 by Piri Reis, a famous admiral of the Turkish fleet in the sixteenth century. 
His passion was cartography. His high rank within the Turkish navy allowed him to have a privileged access to the Imperial Library of Constantinople.
The Turkish admiral admits in a series of notes on the map that he compiled and copied the data from a large number of source maps, some of which dated back to the fourth century BC or earlier.

The Controversy 

The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica. The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw such an accurate map of the Antarctic region 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the coastline under the ice. Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC.



My Notes and Summary:


  1. The map accurately depicts the coastline of Antarctica – not the ice but the actual landmass underneath it.  According to geological evidence, this region has been buried under a mile (thickness) of ice since 4,000 BC at the earliest.  The earliest known civilizations date back to around 3,000 BC.  Who was capable and had the need to survey the coastline of Antarctica prior to 3,000 BC?

  2. The projection method used to create the map matches aerial surveying technique results precisely.

  3. The original documents used by Piri Reis to make his map show great longitudinal accuracy based on projections using spherical geometry, a type of math not known to be in existence until the 1800’s.  They also indicate that the original surveyors knew that the earth was a sphere and knew the circumference to within 50 miles accuracy.

  4. The map is so accurate that the Hydrographic Office of the US Navy corrected some of their maps based on the information in the Piri Reis map.

If you would like to read the full article, it is fascinating:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1.htm

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09/09/2005 3:11 PM  
So what do you think?  I love to toss this one around and see what people say.

Who would go to the effort to chart the coastline of Antarctica?  Why?

By ship or by air (although the map itself indicates and aerial survey), who could have done it?  The Turkish admiral Piri Reis himself explains that he only copied the map from existing documents in the library of Constantinople.  He claimed the sources were from around 400 BC and earlier.

What do you think of the idea that there was maybe a civilzation at some point way back before known history that was as advanced as that of today?  Every early culture has myths of a civilization predating theirs that they describe as some sort of "gods" (I am not saying that they were God, just that they were described as having great power).

This is not the only map that should not exist (according to the "accepted" status quo history).




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09/09/2005 5:25 PM  

i really don't know what to say about this. i mean there are a WHOLE lot of things that are excepted as truth that should/shouldn't be- this seems so be one of those things that pop up and busts historians and archaeologists balls, into thinking differently and effectively changing our view of ancient civilization.

awesome find, where's your source for the info? i would love to check more of it out.

i totally understand your "gods" point, anyone with "advanced technology"- techniques of science never seen before- causing outsiders to believe they had magical powers and/or effectively being gods)

i could see this as very possible. i mean two great powers of their day, egypt and rome both effectively died; if the right circumstances occurred- the evidence of their existence would be gone- or at least minimized. many others- look at babalon, a fabled ancient civilization that was almost totally destroyed, accounts exist in the bible and countless other texts. very little of it remains today, almost all of it is lost or perverted by sadam hussien who, among other things, built his own tower of babel on the original site.

if new orleans was that ancient civilization, it would be over- people would move to develop other areas. all it takes is a catastrophic event, and thousands of years of decay and people forgetting.

a good example of history/people forgetting- my private school text books (courtesy of john brown university) leaving out various information to give a more "positive christian" effect on the world. also causing loss of information.

i wish we had time machines

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09/12/2005 5:37 AM  
I recommend Zechariah Sitchin's work.  His interpretation of ancient Summarian tablets and cuniform texts addresses the whole gods with a little 'g' and advanced ancient civilization topic.  I'm a ancient history junkie/wannabe junkie(still have a lot cover).  I've read just about all of his books; It's some of the most thought provoking stuff I have ever read next to the bible.  It's pretty out there so beware.

That map is intriguing tho.  I love maps.

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09/12/2005 11:13 AM  
Hey Zewl,

I have several of Dr. Sitchin's books too.  They are really fascinating and right up this same alley.

As for background information on the Piri Reis map, you can use the link I provided to one site.  You can also just do a Google search with "Piri Reis."

I first read about this map in a book I have called "Findgerprints of the Gods" by Graham Hancock.  It is a book that contains several archeological anomalies like this.  His proposed solution in the end of the book is that there was a highly advanced civilzation on the earth around 10,500 BC.  Antarctica has fossils of palm trees, tropical foliage and animals if I remember correctly (flash frozen).  His anwer to this is that Anarctica used to be located a LONG distance more north nearer the equator, and that the tectonic plate on which it resides slid south dramatically around that time (10,500BC).


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09/12/2005 12:24 PM  

I've heard of Antarctica being flash frozen from several sources; a lot of them being from interviews on Coast to Coast AM.  One that sticks out in my mind was from that TV special about the mamoth being  chiseled out of ice.  It still had grass in its mouth!!  I've also heard of the book you mentioned although I've never read it, I think I will.......once I finish Eldest.



You know what?....I remember hearing about this map on Coast to Coast too.


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