wscott81 
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| 06/26/2007 3:09 PM |
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Read this Story Leave a comment and tell me if you think this is all Nothing but BS!
{edit} Sorry So Teed off I forgot to put the Link in
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Gimlen
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| 06/26/2007 3:10 PM |
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what story?
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Garrok
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| 06/26/2007 4:52 PM |
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BULL!!!
I disagree. If the corn farmers are relying on movie theatre proffitt for corn sales then movie theatres should be open 24/7.
what about food products from corn, dog food, starch, and other stuff.
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Galza
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| 06/26/2007 5:07 PM |
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| I heard about this.. I thought it was funny. |
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Read to face the evils of Arthas |
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jeidynzon
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| 06/26/2007 7:19 PM |
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| Thats stupid. I dont buy pop corn at the theaters, they want to much for it. I sneak my own goodies in...Big Girlie purses ftw! |
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Dhrydan
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| 06/26/2007 10:27 PM |
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I agree; it's a non-story.
Of course, I still think that p2p sharing is wrong and theft - but that's still a non-story.
Perhaps they should figure out how to make fuel out of all that corn...or perhaps bring back the corn tortilla! |
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Galza
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| 06/27/2007 1:44 AM |
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Posted By jeidynzon on 06/26/2007 7:19 PM
Thats stupid. I dont buy pop corn at the theaters, they want to much for it. I sneak my own goodies in...Big Girlie purses ftw!
If anything THAT would hurt them more than piracy.. .. the price I mean.
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Trefalgar
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| 06/27/2007 2:27 PM |
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Entertainment providers are going to have to figure out how to adapt to the modern world of technology. Their old models of doing business simply don't work -- which is why they are constantly crying about file sharing.
Why don't people go to the movies and buy popcorn and snacks? It's not because of file sharing. Give me a break! There is big difference between the movie theatre experience (which is what you are paying for) and sitting huddled around a laptop trying to watch the latest greatest epic adventure movie. It's not file sharing, it's the $17+ dollars in tickets and $10+ dollars for a tub of popcorn and two sodas that is killing them (for 2 people to go to the movies). Even if there was a foolproof way to prevent people from downloading movies, I bet you anything the boost to movie theatre attendance would be nearly unmeasurable. Entertainment has one of THE most elastic demands (in economic terms). It's a luxury, not a necessity. As the prices go up, the demand (or willingness to pay) goes down. It goes down fast.
The same thing goes for music. Every time i've checked, the price for digital music is about the same as purchasing the hard-copy CD. Why in the world would a consumer want to pay the same for a song online, with all the STUPID crappy DRM restrictions, as going to the store and buying a CD they can burn and share with their pals? The CD has technically better sound quality too, since it isn't compressed.
If the music industry would just pull their collective heads out of their butts, they would market the CD's as "premium" purchases and offer the digital versions at a big discount. Manufacture, packaging, shipping and retailer markup have to account for a huge part of the price you pay for a CD in the store. I bet it's 70% or more of the price. Make the price of digital music CHEAP, and you will have tons of people paying for them. Try gouging people and making bandit-like profits and you run the risk of losing customers to competition (other entertainment and piracy).
It is a well studied economic phenomenon that increasing taxes increases tax avoidance. People want to be honest and sleep well at night. People are also generally fair minded. They don't mind paying a reasonable amount of money in exchange for something (broad generalization, but true). There is always a sweet spot for governments in taxation. Lowering taxes just slightly below that sweet spot generates enormous increases in revenue as people are more willing to comply (and not cheat or avoid taxes). Raise it a little bit above and they lose out big time -- it simply generates far too much incentive to cheat compared to the risk of getting caught.
The entertainment industry could learn a lot from that. Make it convenient, safe and cheap. They could be ROLLING in $$$$ if they would just stop being idiots. Imagine going to Sony's website, for example, and picking up songs for 25 to 50 cents each, knowing you aren't downloading viruses or porn ads, getting a good transfer rate, and knowing you have an honest copy of the song and are supporting the artist?
They are vicitims of their own greed and failure to adapt. |
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wscott81
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| 06/27/2007 6:14 PM |
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Tref did you know apple now has a DRM free Music you can buy, Grated it's 30 cents more but it is also higher Quality it's a 256 Encoding rather than a 128 encoding. so you don't have to put it on an ipod anymore you can place it on ANY device that you own. Just a Note incase you didn't know |
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Trefalgar
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| 06/28/2007 9:21 AM |
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Good to know.
I own a Sony Mini-Disc player, which I like a lot. Yeah, I know Sony abandoned them pretty much now. I like the way they sound.
Anyway, I purchased a few albums online through their site. I was only really enticed to do it on their 2 for Tuesday sales -- you got 2 albums for the price of 1. The rest of the time I just buy CDs from Amazon. Piracy isn't really an option for me. I have pretty unusual music tastes. There aren't a whole lot of people hosting my stuff on P2P networks :-) I really do like the idea of supporting the artists too. If people don't pay for the music, at some point there's no incentive to make any more music. People have to eat. |
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Jureal
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| 06/28/2007 2:40 PM |
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| I still dearly love my mini disk player! long live MD! |
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Wayanoru
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| 06/28/2007 6:46 PM |
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Popcorn is overrated.
Tortillas, however, are not.
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Dhrydan
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| 06/29/2007 1:49 AM |
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Tref did you know apple now has a DRM free Music you can buy
As does Zune and now Amazon.
But the interesting thing, at least in the Apple case, is that they encode all of the purchaser's information into the mp3 (or whatever the file extension is) to allow it to be trackable in case it does get out into the wild (in the spirit of this thread). |
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Trefalgar
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| 06/29/2007 9:07 AM |
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That’s good. I did not know that.
I make a perfect anecdotal example then of my point. I am a pretty tech-saavy person. I buy all the music I listen to. I would and did buy music online in digital format, *BUT* I was so turned off by the experience (a year or two ago) that I left the marketplace.
P2P file sharing piracy of music and movies isn’t damaging the sales revenue they should be getting from me. I’m not pirating it instead. I’m not going to bother spending half the night trying to download some crappy, compressed hack of a movie. I’ll just rent it or pay-per-view it for 2 or 3 bucks. I’m not going to waste hours wading through the cesspool of P2P networks trying to find someone who might be hosting a rare performance of 13th century Spanish pilgrim folk music. It’s not there.
I just stopped buying what they were selling. I went back to ordering an occasional CD online here and there and waiting for the tangible disk to show up. Sony’s DRM model was way too much of a hassle! They had settings embedded into the files that tracked and limited the number of times you could move the file to different media formats – like you could burn it once to a CD, 3 times to an ATRAC format mini-disc, download it twice to a computer you logged into, etc., etc. I paid for the songs! I want to move them around and listen to them wherever I feel like it. So I went back to old-school tangible CDs with no DRM.
The industry did such a retched job of marketing in a new delivery environment, they lost on selling me digital entertainment for a good year or two. I didn’t even know they had changed until you just mentioned it.
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Trefalgar
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| 06/29/2007 2:28 PM |
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Here's a sampling of what's on the 1GB mini-disc I normally carry around in my player. You don't really find these floating around the P2P networks :-)
Codex Faenza:
A collection of 14th century, mostly Italian compositions compiled in the 15th century.
Music of the Crusades:
A collection of 12th and 13th century troubadour music, mostly anonymous French composers.
Chrysalid Requiem, Composed by Toby Twining (a modern day composer):
A justly intoned (alternative tuning) Requiem sung a capella (no instruments, just voices). This piece is simply amazing to hear.
Music from Ancient Rome, Vol 2 – String Instruments:
An exploration of what ancient Roman music might have sounded like, played on recreated instruments based on designs of that time.
Musique de la Grece Antique:
An exploration of what ancient Greek music might have sounded like, also played on recreated instruments of the time.
Hildegard von Bingen – 11,000 Virgins, Chants for the Feast of St. Ursula
Gregorian Chant. One of the many pieces written by a fascinating 12th century German Nun.
Early Music Festival (2 CD set)
Music of Florence. One disc is 13th century, the second disc is 15th century.
The Black Madonna:
Spanish pilgrim music from the Monastery of Montserrat (1400AD – 1420AD)
Sinners & Saints:
Renaissance music collection.
Celtic Bagpipes:
A mixture of performances by civilian and military Scottish bagpipe bands. |
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Jureal
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| 07/01/2007 4:03 AM |
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I'm so curious; do the kids threaten to jump out of the moving car when you are in charge of the radio- or are they cool with it?  |
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Bigbrute
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| 07/01/2007 9:44 AM |
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Instead of these guys placing the blame on P2P downloading for lower movie attendance rates....how about looking at the real reason for this decline? Hollywood releases re-hashed remakes and other over promoted garbage and wonders why we don't go to the theaters to drop $300 Pesos for a hyped up disappointment. I am an avid movie fan and it has been a long while since I have been able to say "now that was a great film." There seems to be a lack of originality and depth in the recent years......
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wscott81
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| 07/01/2007 10:07 AM |
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| Prbally the MOST innovative Films on one side are the Ones From Pixar, things like Carsand Toy story and such ARe not Rehashes of anything Cept the same type of story But they make NEw films that are always good. |
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Dhrydan
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| 07/01/2007 5:55 PM |
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I am an avid movie fan and it has been a long while since I have been able to say "now that was a great film." There seems to be a lack of originality and depth in the recent years......
I would tend to agree with this...at least for mainstream films. You can get that feeling from some of the independents (and Michael Moore does NOT count) and some foreign films...but you have to tread lightly or have the chance to encounter real landmines (the Blue/White/Red series comes to mind - but I warned my wife...they were French, after all ).
Probably the last one that I came away with that feeling was "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"...but my wife gets a lot of the Focus Features films...and they tend to be more good than bad. Of the mainstream films, I think the last film I saw that I would classify as great would have to be the Narnia film.
I did think "Casino Royale" was decent, though...but it was based on the earlier Bond books. Personally, I've become more hooked on anime and HBO series than movies - HBO is the only thing I miss about cancelling cable.  |
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